Nov 26, 2017, 01:08am
The Philosophical Viewpoints Of The "Gothic" Sub-Culture.
Marksie
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Hello All,

In a world of "Just be happy" are there certain viewpoints that many of you share? I think it's true that fashion and music play a large role overall in the scene; however it seems many of us share sharp differences intellectually with the rest of the overall population. Personally I have observed a very strong open-mindedness, a culture largely open to discussion on mental illness, a general distaste of unhealthy drug use, and dealing with societal problems internally rather then lashing out in anger. These are just my opinions. Any thoughts?
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Nov 26, 2017, 04:53am

Personally I have observed a very strong open-mindedness, a culture largely open to discussion on mental illness, a general distaste of unhealthy drug use, and dealing with societal problems internally rather then lashing out in anger.

A few years on VF will change your mind on some of those.
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Nov 26, 2017, 03:28pm

I understand completely what you are saying. Just trying to dig a little deeper I guess.
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Nov 27, 2017, 06:46am

"VF will Change a few of those"
Facebook political groups will rid you of it all. Might I interest you in misanthropy? Lol
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Nov 28, 2017, 02:41am

To be fair you have to have a high IQ to get the spongebob mock meme! Otherwise the fact that I am mocking you would go completely over your head! Bow down to my superier IQ! I'm so smart cause I watch Rick and Morty!

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Nov 28, 2017, 03:50am

I, too, watch Richard and Morticai
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Nov 28, 2017, 04:04am

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Nov 28, 2017, 02:10pm

One of the reasons I signed up for VF, some ten or so years ago, was because I was under the impression that other people in the gothic subculture would be open minded, or be substantively different from 'the mainstream'.

I determined pretty quickly that's not the case, whatsoever.

If you're looking for anything other than good fashion sense and a decent taste in music, you won't find it, within the goth community.
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Nov 28, 2017, 07:23pm

The goth community in LA are little more than Barbies and Ken dolls who wear black.
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Dec 02, 2017, 05:01pm

Goth IS mainstream
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Dec 11, 2017, 02:32am

I've always seen Goth as a good starting point to break off from the degenerate, mainstream culture. Goth is extremely tribalistic in nature. There is an attire, an attitude, a history, and even a music genre that stands as its foundations. Therefore, Goth groups can function as mini-societies inside the larger society. What would be better though, is if Goth groups were able to make themselves more autonomous, to cut off the mainstream culture and society completely.
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Dec 12, 2017, 11:37pm

^ Oh, god, here we go with the fascist BS.
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Feb 19, 2018, 01:12pm

I feel like goth sticks to a darker beauty that utilizes history as a reference. You have Victorian, industrial, modern, midevil. We will take our taste from different eras and bring them back.
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Feb 21, 2018, 08:51pm

I think just about everyone wants to downprop you ulfric, but its not worth the expenditure of energy to move one's finger.
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Feb 21, 2018, 10:02pm

Wow. I really thought that was something about me in particular. I never bothered to see if I was the only one getting down rated. Now I feel self centered.
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Feb 21, 2018, 10:04pm

kumquat How about trying to get along?
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Feb 21, 2018, 11:25pm

It's a patience thing. When he goes all Alex Jones on us and regresses back to those asinine conspiracy stories and posts them before he checks them, I can't help but poke my finger into his ribs to let him know I'm disappointed.
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Feb 22, 2018, 06:35am

Yes. See, I am a father and it's my responsibility to get a child ready for the real world and adulthood, so, whenever I see other children acting dangerously or doing something that'll harm themselves or others, I feel compelled to intervene. It's parental instinct.

I am really patient with your climatology ideas, because there is some aspects of climate change that are still being debated, and I'll cut you some slack regarding it, because there is a bunch of misinformation out there, a lot based off of sound scientific study around natural cycles (that assume we don't have 200 years of human industrialisation) that seem to contradict the current consensus understanding. It can be confusing. I will gladly listen to your woes and fears about immigration, people with legitimate gripes have a right to a voice and the debate is a mixed bag, unfortunately based in emotions and unfounded fears. I accept your ideas of gun ownership and general conservative ideals, because I come from a conservative, gun owning family and I'd be lying if I said that experience doesn't influence me. But when you post the tinfoil hat shit, the Alex Jones roadkill quasi-journalistic, bottom feeding rubbish like that false flag, school shootings are hoaxes rubbish or the white nationalist, "our government brings in brown people to destroy the white majority" stupidness, I lose my patience.

You can call it attention getting, you can call it trolling or you can call eating magical rainbow farts, it don't matter, I'm going to make sure you know you didn't use that superior IQ of yours and you didn't check your facts or really any common sense that you claim you have.

You stop being dumb and ill leave you alone. If you don't like it, you know how to block people.
Edited by kumquat on Feb 22, 2018, 06:37am
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Feb 24, 2018, 01:52pm

To me the key is existentialism. Goths having an appreciation of darkness then have an easier time with the existential dilemma facing all humans of the limited temporality and meaninglessness of our existence.
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Feb 24, 2018, 01:58pm

One thing to note is that rebellion and individualism is so strong in the Goth community that I find it to be a bit self-destructive and self-defeating so that it is much more difficult to organize a sustainable community, which would have tremendous benefits for all of us. Organizing Goths is much like herding cats !! Lol
Edited by EcoGoth on Feb 24, 2018, 02:58pm
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Feb 24, 2018, 01:58pm

But I find much more open-mindedness among Goths, but the thing to understand about clubs is that we’re trying to maintain a dark spooky Gothic atmosphere, and if you disrupt that with colorful and off-theme clothing then you will receive negative comments. That’s not about closed-mindedness, but about a certain ........ thing ........ people are working toward, which you have damaged.
Edited by EcoGoth on Feb 24, 2018, 03:01pm
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