by Jeanne Sager
Prepare to feel conflicted. A father who says he found a man trying to molest his 4-year-old may be facing a whole other kind of trial. Cops in Shiner, Texas, say the little girl's dad put a stop to the assault then beat the man to death.
So far what cops will do with the dad remains up in the air. I'm not surprised; there's no easy answer here for them. Say you were put on a jury to face a case like that. Would you be able to make a decision that would let you go to bed that night with a clear conscience? I don't think I would.
I want to say that the fatal beating the Lavaca County sheriff says happened in a family house (no names have been released to protect the sexual assault victim's identity) on Sunday afternoon was the right thing and cheer from the rooftops.
I'm a parent, for cripes sakes. I never want to see a child being hurt in any fashion. Just last night I sat in my house with my heart beating fast against my chest because I'd heard a rumor that a local teen had to be airlifted out of an accident scene (good news: it was one of those exaggerations that spreads on Facebook -- she's fine). In that sense, if the allegation of abuse is true, then I would have been shaking with anger and horror both. If I were that father, I would have wanted to kill that man.
But wanted to does not equal would have.
Consider this: when you take justice into your own hands, what happens? You get in trouble. You, the person who, up until that very moment, was in the right.
You may say it's "worth it" because the other person got what you thought was "coming," but you are forever marred by having sunk to the criminal level. You are what you profess to despise.
I can imagine that if this dad beat this man, he thought he was doing it for the right reasons. I hope that the police and prosecutors treat this whole case with that in mind. But there is no way to walk away from this one feeling anything but conflicted, is there?
What's your read? Do you think the accusations against this dad make him a criminal or a hero?
there are some big guys out there after youngins."
1. Mostly runts as far I can see. Have you ever seen inside of a prison?
2. "Sex offenders" is a VERY broad term. It covers people who have been caught taking a piss on the side of the road or streaking at a football match. Try googling "convicted child molesters." Oh look! Old men, fat bastards and skinny little runts again.
3. Funnily enough the ones that are that big don't tend to get raped.
Orleans Parish Prison? Oh good so you know that claiming sex offenders waiting trial are held separately is bollocks then.
You're a woman, did they stick you in with the men?
"How would you know if they tend to get raped."
They end up in hospital like the others.
"Chances are, no guy is going to admit it, especially if they're big."
If that's what you're going by how can you claim any prisoners are raped at all?
"that false reports of rape are, indeed, rare."
OK. Lets say that's true. We're back to what I said before.
You are fine with the idea of innocent people being raped and tortured inside the justice system because you don't think it happens very often.
"Even if you look at the first page of convicted felons, most of those guys don't seem any bigger than the first page of convicted sex offenders, size wise."
You made it clear that you wanted only proven cases. When I used an estimate on the number of rapes committed last year, you said that it was not the proven cases. So I used the same format for DNA proven false convictions.
I think you're confusing me with someone else.
Can you really not see the difference between these figures?
"I am obviously going to be wrong for the reason that I don't think that rapists should get any mercy from the judicial system."
Mercy doesn't come into it, it's not being an apathetic hypocrite. You're condemning someone for a crime and turning around and condoning it in the same breath. You're fostering a permissive culture of rape among prison inmates (many of whom presumably we're going to have to let out at some point). And then you provide NO recourse for when we get it wrong and an innocent person gets raped!
That's why you're wrong.
"OPP has a female unit."
Mhm. Every prison does. Why do you think that is?
"Should we put all of them into jail where they'll likely be beat up?"
Stop condoning them being beaten up.
"And yeah, I said earlier that rapists awaiting a conviction are not put into general population."
I know you did and it's bollocks. Prisons are SUPPOSED to do that, but they're also supposed to stop inmates raping each other.
So... You hate rape so much that you think rapists should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, yet you don't give a fuck if they themselves are raped?
I'm not going to go into my own history, but I have experience of extremely serious sexual crimes, and so have a few people that I know. None of them would ever wish rape on anyone, even a rapist, and wouldn't even be apathetic about it because once you've experienced it, it is not something you'd wish on anyone.
Rapists are scumbags, sure. They should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, sure. Them being raped in return should not be a factor in their punishment. Obviously the legal system won't condone that, but it sure as hell should not be happening. It's not for us, or other inmates to decide to mete out our own punishments.
"Honestly, I feel like the only thing he could do was pull the guy off of him and hit him a few times."
Any number of things both when he got to the scene and before. That's not saying what he did wasn't OK, but NOT doing that doesn't make him an accessory to rape.
Personally, I feel like the fact that he didn't shoot bro in the face or stab him or something is a measure of this guy's self control.
That requires having a gun or a knife on you. I can't remember any source to say he had. We'll never know.
"I just noticed you are from Denver. This makes me dislike you a little bit less."
I live in Denver, I'm from Wales. Carry on with the disliking please.
If he'd had a gun or even a baseball bat or something he could have used as a club, he could have gotten the fucker off his daughter and then used his cellphone to call the cops.
But he attacked the guy, beat him with his bare hands and he died; whether the father didn't know what else to do or just lost it, well, people around there don't seem inclined to punish him for it, which is pretty understandable, actually.
"The Jungle has come loose, is changing purposes."
Understandable, unsupportable and unfortunate for the father... but VERY understandable.
There was a case that occurred on a public train in England (I will try and dig details if I can find them... but it was on a news report on local TV many years ago).
Anyhow, a family and their youngest were on a train on a hot day, naturally the heat was getting a little too much for the youngest and she started crying.
Now the parents were trying to comfort her... give her water, trying to cool her down and keep her calm.
When a man who was on the train got fed up of the constant noise and TOLD the mother to her face in no uncertain terms
"he would throw the child out of the fucking window if she didn't stop crying"
At this point, the farther got out of his seat... grabbed hold of him and turned his face into burger meat with his fists.
When it came to court - the judge ruled that the would be attacker really didn't have a case and despite being injured and scarred after the assault... he was still breathing...
So, yes - not the best way of dealing with the whole situation, but again... very understandable.
There's not a human being alive (barring serious mental disorders) who wouldn't have that desire to protect their immediate family from harm in a situation whereby there's an immediate potential major threat.
Frankly, i am glad he got off. I am no father, but i would have lost it too in that situation. I want to see a person here who would just stop the molesting act of his daughter/son and just slap the guy on the face, telling him not to ever do that again. And by the fact that all these things happen on his property, that puts the molester in the trespasser ipostase with the intent to harm. So his act is perfectly justifiable, tho he would have to live with the thought of killing a human being (if you can call those type of people humans...)
Is killing wrong?
Human are violent creatures by nature killing is seen moraly wrong but is it. What if religion never existed then killing would not be banned. If humans are voilent creatures we all would be killing. so is it wrong to go into our primal violence?
HitlersMoustache i'd not say the child was property,but any father who would not do what ti takes to defend their family is a poor father/parent and is surely not a man in my book!
Suffer?You have my word you won't suffer,because the dead don't suffer!
