I'm thinking about the unrest in Syria lately. Are these armed resistance fighters freedom fighters with a just cause? Or are they just expressing more "might is right". Just because protestors turn out in droves demanding freedome and democracy, are they the majority? Are they speaking for the whole country?
it is only a point of view. both terms are used to hide the lies behind.
people who decide to fight, are powered by a reason, a dream. they try to make (there) world better, nothing else. how they act depends on skills and tactics.
for example, i remember taliban on us-government's payroll.
any questions?
yes i know,
man who tell truth, need a fast horse.
The need to fight is a natural instinct hardwired to our brain. Everyone must fight at one point in their life.... for their nation, when their life's are threatened, when change is needed, or when that's the only way you know how to live. In my eyes no one is a "terrorist". Any man or women who puts their life in danger to do batter is a courageous Solider!
PS: I truly admire anyone who dedicates their entire lives first to battle and nationalism. It matters not what side you are on or for who against who you fight, but as long as you fight for yourself and what you believe and stand for!
There will always be war and there will always be a need for battle.
If my guns scare you, then open and reveal your heart so that we can sit down over tea and share stories in peace!
To even compare the situation in Syria to Terrorism is ridiculous. It is, I feel, bordering on Genocide at this point.
( the situation in Syria is more then likely manufactured by western interferance just like the rest of the Arab spring)
The citizens didn't start shooting first, the entire situation is one of self defence. If anything, the government is the terrorist in this case. The people didn't even have weapons at first, but the government kept shooting down protesters and they finally had to start stealing and hijacking them. Members of the military even started defecting because they were being ordered to shoot unarmed people in cold blood, their own bloody people.
( In this case I totally disagree,the people where not merely protesting they where revolting in an attempt to over throw a legit government,the government reacted to surpress the revolt,and in an attempt to mold the middle east to it's liking our government has started supplying these so-called rebels)
There are videos of women crying and begging for international aid because they were unarmed and had no way to defend themselves when the military started killing people.
(Sadly thats what you get when a Government's military uses total war,not the sham select a target wargames the west has played for the last few decades)
When your own government is sending the military to shoot your family down in the street during unarmed and generally peaceful protests, it 100% gives you the right and duty to fight back. It's a horrible situation out there, over 6000 civilians have been murdered by their own representatives. They want this guy out and he won't go. Typical dictator.
(Again they where not merely protesting they where revolting
in an attempt to replace a legit goverment like the other nations involved in the Arab spring had done,and the government has fought back)
If it were to happen in North America, would you sit there and watch your neighbours get gunned down? Or would you pick up a weapon and defend yourself?
(It was to happen here in the USA,99% of the population would do nothing because they have been pacified by soft living,reality tv programing to just give away their rights at the least sign of an emergency or a war,so yes 99& of the sheep would sit by and take it)
The people of Syria are not "freedom fighters" or "terrorists" .... they are normal people who are being forced to deal with an unthinkable situation when they just want to live peaceful happy lives.
(They are a people in revolt trying to over throw a legit government,thinking that if they get so-called Western Democracy they'll get these big improvements in their lives.
What they'll end up with is weak governments,or something far worse then what they think they are replacing)
Suffer?You have my word you won't suffer,because the dead don't suffer!
doesn't you think that your sentence is true for syrian president?
"....being forced to deal with an unthinkable situation when they just want to live peaceful happy lives."
tinyrat my point of view is taken in part from the fact that everytime theres trouble somewhere that our government suddenly has these vested interests and wants to bring the gift of western democracy(usually from the barrel of a gun),the media swings into action portraying the government in power as being some how evil and corrupt and opressive and trying to convince "WE THE PEOPLE",that it's our moral obligation to free these poor saps from their oppression,when the truth is we don't know if they are being oppressed all we get is the medias slanted perceptions.
I persoanlly Thing the world should stay out of it and not supply these so-called rebels with arms,training or any kinda backing and let them and the government fight it out to what ever conclusion is the result.
Personally I am hoping the Syrian Government wins!
Suffer?You have my word you won't suffer,because the dead don't suffer!
well in my opinion simply said you are a freedom fighter if you fight against the army of the person dictating your country. and you are a terrorist when you fight against and kill/rape/torture civilians. even if they are of the opposing side.
kind regards,
me myself and i
you were born as an original, don't let the world turn you into a copy
Hmm then the Norse,the Romans,and all thsoe who came before them where terrorists because a lot of then did just that to instill a sence of fear in the defeated.
Suffer?You have my word you won't suffer,because the dead don't suffer!
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When is a terrorist a freedom fighter as compared to just a terrorist?
But what about majority rules? When afghanistan and iraq were attacked and the govn'ts overthrown and a new govn't was set up and then duely elected by the people then aren't the terrorists, who are still killing people, only acting in their own selfish interests? They are not speaking for the majority...who have accepted the forced change with their free votes.
And yes, there does seem to be a revolt intent with the people of syria at the beginning. If left to run it's course without any violence by the govn't how would it have played out? Does a govn't have to give in to change (free elections) just cuz some, but not the majority, of the people demand it? It would've been noble of them to let the people have a free vote, but was it "immoral" if they didn't? They could've said if you don't like it here, then move.
"They could've said if you don't like it here, then move."
That sentence was very common in political discussion there against komunists decades ago.
(if you don't like kapitalism/nato in western germany than move to DDR, the easten part of germany, hold by soviets)
I feel our Government is trying to start Cold War 2 with Iran as the Modern day version of the Soviet Union,but a Version that our Government can attack with in a very short time and supposedly defeat
Suffer?You have my word you won't suffer,because the dead don't suffer!
But what about majority rules? When afghanistan and iraq were attacked and the govn'ts overthrown and a new govn't was set up and then duely elected by the people then aren't the terrorists,
What about when London was attacked by American funded terrorists?
When that happened, I didn't ask about majority rules, or anything like that. I just wondered why, me, a child was a valid target.
Oh, and then there's my Dad, who was working in the postal service when the IRA were sending postal bombs.
I grew up under the random threat of a loss of life and loved ones.
Then 11/9 happened, and all of a sudden there's woe and angst about one attack and this big outpouring of love and never forget and Muslim hate. It is really hard to give sympathy to anyone who wasn't intimately affected when the towers fell.
Then 7/7 where I most routes of my brother's routes were through the bombs. Where beardy men with broad Yorkshire accents told me I should die or suffer for what the Americans were doing in Iraq.
A terrorist is on the other side.
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When is a terrorist a freedom fighter as compared to just a terrorist?
Ah, but do you still have a lust for revenge for living all those years under fear? Or have you accepted the status quo. What terrorists should be doing is rallying the people to reject their westernized puppet leaders and return to the good ol' days. Like what khomeini did to the shaw in iran back in the 80's. Now that was true democracy in action.
I'm fine with it, now there is a compromise that I don't care about and they have stopped trying to kill me and the people I love.
I have problems when Americans talk about terrorism without acknowledging the Troubles and the American funded attacks on UK soil. You know, what with our special relationship and all that.
9/11 was horrific, but it did help to cut the funding to the IRA and 7/7 was a horrible flashback to the random terrorist attacks of my youth.
I only feel resentful when it's an American question. The Irish were fighting for westernisation, were funded by the west. It's just England was on the east of that line. (and there was a lot of Christian on Christian violence as well)
No resentment, just a clusterfuck where nobody is asking the right questions.
"I feel our Government is trying to start Cold War 2 with Iran as the Modern day version of the Soviet Union,but a Version that our Government can attack with in a very short time and supposedly defeat"
I think you're underestimating how bad it would be should Iran become a legitimate big player in the Middle East.
You haven't even begun to see gas prices go up should they start up their nonsense.
“The power to cause pain is the only power that matters, the power to kill and destroy, because if you can't kill then you are always subject to those who can, and nothing and no one will ever save you.” -Ender Wiggin
iran - a big player ??? hahaha....
are you joking ?
wether iran will get a nuclear bomb someday in the future,
nobody will use it, simply they know that would lead immediately into suicide.
dictators want to have a good live for themselves, what else should be worth to live?
if they are really as stupid to use it, they brand themself as the guilty party and nobody will help them.
btw: what would chance in our life? nothing!
thousands of people die by accidents, lack of food/water/medicine or collateral damage off course.
gas price is raising because more and more people around the world like to waste as much energy as us people do since decades and because enough people pay extended prices. that's economy.
Considering how much of a hand Iran had in helping insurgent groups in Iraq, then yeah I'd say they are primed to become a force to be reckoned with in the Middle East.
“The power to cause pain is the only power that matters, the power to kill and destroy, because if you can't kill then you are always subject to those who can, and nothing and no one will ever save you.” -Ender Wiggin
