- Is one month enough? Is it racist?
- Should there ever be a White or Chinese History Month?
- What black history means to you, and how much impact it has on your lives
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Speculation about possible extreme applications of the law doesn't change the fact that peaceful protest in the US quite obviously is not being treated as terrorism, by the public or the government.
I don't think I'm paranoid.
And I never said we were powerless, just that the scales of power are completely rigged against us.
I don't think you realize how easy it is to falsify polls and you're making it sound like dropping atomic bombs on civilian districts in Japan was a good thing..
I bet the Army/government/whoever in charge wanted to test those shits out way more than the people did.
And of course I'm not a history major, thats like being a major in 'maybe things happened this way and maybe they didn't'.
Whats recorded in history isn't usually how things happened. Practically every history teacher I've ever had has told me that.
And how exactly do I stand up and say no? Civilians aren't around when all the important decisions are made. Its not like I can tell them what they're doing is fucked up and I disagree with it. The closest I can get is to call their secretaries and tell them, who most likely didn't write down what I said to give to the oh so important politician who in reality does jack shit thats actually important to the people.
I know its definitely not being treated like that, but the fact that that law even exists is pretty damn supsicious and unconstitutional.
And how would we know that they didn't just nab up all the key figures of the movements and just let everyone else be?
Tons of people go missing all the time and are never heard from again.
Also, use of propaganda on u.s. citizens has been legalized recently, so we pretty much know for a fact that they're lying to us.
And emp_T, I think the best possible choice would of been to just go home and fucking forget about it.
We shouldn't have to act like thug gangsters trying to get even for every goddamn thing that happens to us.
Restricted areas pretty much means you can't protest where it'd matter the most.
And it may not be a law, but if the department of defense calls it terrorism and won't let you join them without you also considering it terrorism, it might as well be a law.
But do you really trust the word of a politician? Look at what politicians do, not what they say.
And its still up to debate whether this bill applies to citizens or not. It never clearly states that it doesn't apply to us, but it does state that U.S. soil is now considered a battleground...
And the Army isn't fighting its own people, they're detaining them. Big difference.
All they'd have to do is tell them that they needed to take this 'suspected terrorist' in for 'questioning' and they'd get right on it. The soilders conscience remaining clean, because they'd probably never see the fuck again after they dropped him off.
What you call paranoid, I call considering alternative options.
"Nonsense, protesting will be covered by the news and internets"
The internet, yes. The news, probably not. And even when its on the internet, its not reaching the people it needs to.
"Politicians go where the money is, BUT, they do still need the people behind them"
They get those people behind them by lying.
"Stop feeling powerless"
Please don't tell me what emotions I feel and don't feel.
"Not really, if this were to become a real thing, other than a paranoid fear, eventually the military would fracture, people in the army aren't going to, by and large, be happy with locking other u.s. citizens up"
Why would they care if they were locking up 'terrorists'.
"this simply takes away from the real debate and what is really going on"
Uhh, yeah, cause debating things takes away form the real dabate.
And I honestly doubt anyone human knows whats really going on.
"you do not focus on real things that are happening"
I could say the same about you.
"More people get their news from the internet"
Prove it.
Everyone I know whos over thirty hardly even uses the internet, only when they absolutely have to.
"Because soldiers can sometimes be people too, no seriously."
I never acted like they weren't, so don't imply I did.
And once again, no soilder is gonna give a fuck about locking up someone they think is a terrorist.
"Debating things that aren't going to happen certainly does, yes."
You don't know the future you arrogant fuck.
That link says people get more news from the internet than from news papaers. The large chart on the top of that page clearly shows the vast majority of people getting their news from the tv rather than from anything else.
What scale is that? I never said any numbers and I only made mention of them nabbing the key figures, i.e. not a lotta.
Give me one quote where I claimed to know the future. I want a flat out statement too. Me making speculations of possible outcomes doesn't count.
What the fuck is all that?
Just look at the fucking chart. Its clear as day that more people get thier news from the t.v. than from anything else.
"I don't know, you tell me, you're the one claiming that people are going to be thrown in to prison for being terrorists."
I didn't claim that, I said its good possibilty.
"According to some law you claimed does exist, but doesn't."
The indefinite detention bill IS real. Obama signed it on new years eve.
Even the goddamn moderator acknowledged its existance.
What the hell is wrong with you?
Speculation on certain facts. And you've done you're fair share of speculating in here too.
Corpsie, you're no different from the guy doing the bombing by blaming me for what my government did.
And sorry you couldn't play your precious video games, because something far more interesting was actually happening.
No. I'm just calling you a moron. I'm not blaming you for what your government did. The Sectarian violence in Ireland (roughly started by Cromwell) turned into domestic terrorism that shaped my early life. "nobody has heard of Irish Slavery..." I have and lived through the some of the violent repercussions.
Something more interesting? Not really, by the time I was old enough to go into London on my own, I had already learned a load of ways to get home despite the frequent bomb scares and acts of Christian Terrorism. Yes, Christian Terrorism and the reasons why I should risk death just for where I grew up was quite boring by that time.
BTW- Games Workshop was nothing to do with video games.
Not my exact statement, you dope.
I never said there was a law making protesting illegal. You put those words in my mouth.
What I said is that theres a law that considered you a terrorist for protesting and then I later corrected that it wasn't a law, but something that might as well be.
Indefinite detention is a law, though, and all it takes to be considered for it is commiting a 'belligerent act' or supporting someone who has.
But you did blame me.
You said us yanks funded that bombing and that I was also a yank, fucker.
And I wouldn't really consider that me being moronic, just unknowledgable of every goddamn thing that ever happens.
I've never heard shit about Irish slavery until I stumbled across it on some site I don't even remember. I've heard about it one time ever.
And I didn't literally mean that "nobody has heard of Irish slavery". That isn't even my real quote. I just said nobody ever hears shit about that and where I'm from, its true.
But I wasn't victimizing myself. Just restating what you already stated and I wouldn't even had to restate that if you would of just not denied your own actions.
Its not an insult. I just don't sit well with bigotry and judging people based on what plot of land they live on.
And I'm not even a texan. I was born in L.A. and then raised in various places. I just happen to live in texas right now.
And like I said earlier, what the peoples government does, doesn't neccecarily reflect what the people want.
I'm against any and all bombings and violence that isn't in immediate self defense and yet my country rapes the shit out of the middle east. I don't agree with that shit at all, along with many other people.
Can you grasp that? Can you understand that a country isn't some hive-mind of creatures that all think the same exact thoughts?
I just don't sit well with bigotry and judging people based on what plot of land they live on.
Learn your history. Some judgements based on the plot of land are acceptable. I wouldn't expect you to know much about the troubles because it happened on the other side of the world to you. America is notorious for isolationist policies, reporting and (thanks to that) general idiocy.
There's a Ben and Jerry's ice cream called Black and Tan and people were surprised that it didn't go down well in Ireland.
And like I said earlier, what the peoples government does, doesn't neccecarily reflect what the people want.
Christian Terrorism was funded by some Americans. It was also supported by the American government. There's a cocktail called an Irish Car Bomb. "The People" are condoning it.
Stupidity is a global trait, my friend. We all got some stupid in us, aswell as some smart. No one is smart all the time and no one is stupid all the time and the sooner you realize that, the sooner we'll be living in a better world, aswell as a smarter one.
SOME of the people are condoning it, not all.
I'm not condoning it and yet you don't seem to want to accept that not all Americans fit your preconceived stereotypes.
You are right about the reporting, though. It sucks pretty bad, but that doesn't mean you should act like everybody here is a fucking retard. Thats just rude and ignorant. People have other news sources too, especially now that the internet is available to practically anyone.
Quit putting words in my mouth, emp_t. Go look at my original posts. I only said that protesting was considered terrorism by the department of defense. I never said it was illegal, you did.
The law never states that it doesn't effect U.S. citizens. The president says it won't, but hes lied before, like when he said he wasn't gonna sign the bill at all.
Why am I the only one being criticized for anger, practically everybody else involved involved in the argument was also showing symptoms of anger.
If anybody needs to let go of anger and hate, its that corpsie guy.
Everybody else was calling names too, though and if you can't handle being called a dope when you say something is an exact qoute when its not or being called a baby when you're victimizing yourself over something that happened 20 years ago, you might as well just kill yourself.
Not even angry and none of those qoutes say anything about protesting being illegal. When I say law, I mean the indefinite detention bill.
And I never denied implying it, just said you implied more.
What the fuck, dude?
That is not me claiming protesting is illegal. Thats me saying protesting is considered terrorism, which it is by the department of defense.
This is just you putting words in my mouth again. You can't find a qoute of me in this thread saying 'protesting is illegal', though theres atleast two from you saying that yourself.
Like I said, you're implying it more than I am.
By you insisting that I said it was illegal when I didn't is pretty much you saying its illegal yourself.
I never 'claimed' it was illegal. I implied it just like you.
And I never denied anything I said, I denied some of things you thought I said, but I never denied any claims or any implications made by me.
Im not American but I think it's good that there's such a thing as a black history month, considering the US' incredibly disgusting history of slavery (and modern slavery concerning people of color)
i think people who are against the idea of a Black History Month are the same douchebags who complain that there's PRIDE events and a Women's Day. They completely ignore the fact that every other day are suited for the majority (white, straight, male population) so much so, they are uncomfortable with a day that actually does not pander to straight/white/maleness for once
'They completely ignore the fact that every other day are suited for the majority (white, straight, male population) so much so, they are uncomfortable with a day that actually does not pander to straight/white/maleness for once.'
So, what's so difficult about a gay person living on say, August 9th 2012 as opposed to June 29th 2012 (which was Pride night here in Ireland)? They get to celebrate freedom from persecution, but how does that make any other day more difficult?
I fail to see how every single day of the year, bar days specifically dedicated to minority groups, can be so much more difficult.
I get pissed off with the idea that Black history hasn't been influential or important- ait shouldn't be segregated to a month.
The Black Florence Nightingale should be mentioned during the other 11 months, that way I might remember her name. The bravery of whatsherface who founded and protected a town of free slaves. The Negro who married a white Englishwoman and started the abolitionist movement in the UK.
Apartheid belongs in history, not as a method of teaching it.
