Wow, a slight tangent in relation to the Catholic churc - just found out that the Pope, if not a uturn at least a segway, has loosened the official stance on condoms in relation to the HIV/AIDS crisis in Africa.
Hahah. Religion is cute.
Let us pull together the gays, goths, witches, and nonbelievers into a pile and set them on fire at the stake!
And they look down on the ancient religions that used to sacrifice humans, when their followers still indirectly do such.
I do believe not too long ago some poor girl's prom as picketed by a nearby church because she wanted to wear a tuxedo. -.-"
I like how they say God created everyone equal and all that love one another bullshit, singing their little songs about good Samaritans, then turn around and abuse their children.
I don't think religion is directly tied to child abuse, but every child I know who has been abused belonged to a strict, uptight, Catholic family.
So my vote is no. To picket people for such minor things or beat their children and wives and then kiss up at church to some All-Seeing Being they believe in?
ExternalSolipsism "Upon the fall of Nazism in Germany after WWII, Church officials aided Nazis in escaping Europe to avoid prosecution for war crimes, and potentially with the additional goal of attempting to re-establish a new Fourth Reich. Is this a force for good in the world?"
This is the first I've ever heard of that. God knows what else they've done ._.
The Catholic Church was tragically subverted and its political power was neutered after Vatican 2.0 in 1962. It was the Catholic church that stood up to the filthy degenerates in Hollywood who were producing movies with nudity, blasphemy and ridicule of the clergy in the 1920's and 30's until a Catholic boycott put Hollywood in its [moral] place. After 1965, they ran up the white flag when John Courtney Murray said in Time magazine "no more catholic boycotts, were going to engage in dialogue", which was a really stupid move that destroyed the ability of the Catholic Church to do good by destroying its political power.
Dr. E. Michael Jones explains this in his lectures.
IMHO, in order for the Catholic Church to do good, as demonstrated, in the example above, they need a 'divorce' from the bad alliance they made in Vatican 2.0 and simply get back to basics.
"I believe that the higher ranks of the Catholic Church have been very underhanded and corrupt for a very long time, maybe even so far back as the foundation of the tradition itself. "
What exactly do you base that statement on? [sources?]
Are you aware of the Medieval period in European history - that is to say, the story that is NOT propagated by current academia?
"Humans twist faith into ugly things."
Typical modern academic propaganda to sanction any attack on the Catholic church. Notice how this statement is NEVER used against any other faith....Apparently, only Christians are barbaric.... /sarcasm
"I think most modern Catholics (at least in my area) are much more realistic and open in practicing the Faith than the Vatican sanctioned, out of touch high clergy ever could be. "
This doesn't even make sense. Traditionally, the Catholic church is OPPOSED to condoms and OPPOSED to abortion, which means the Vatican would not allow these assertions. How is the "modern" catholic church "out of touch" when Ratzinger starts to condone secularist ideas such as condom use? It wouldn't surprise me if Ratzinger condoned abortion in the very near future... This so-called "Vatican" is very far from the "traditional catholic church" against which you and your modernist ilk love to rant.
Thus far, you and your modernist ilk [through the mainstream media vis-a-vis the scandals] have managed to get the church to agree to condom use and very soon, abortions. One wonders what else you will want the Catholic Church to condone, whilst at the same time blatantly criticizing her for her allegedly "evil" past...
Throughout time the catholic church the vatican has proven over and over it is a force for itself whenever they claim to be that is all. The vatican will always do what is good for the vatican and that is all they will change what dogma they teach in order to reinforce their decisions
Violence isnt the only answer... but its most fun.
If you take the Catholic Church literally from the highly intuitive level and try to judge things, you'll go mad. Certain things I know about the human youth-pot-roast level in general consciousness you were born with.
"Upon the fall of Nazism in Germany after WWII, Church officials aided Nazis in escaping Europe to avoid prosecution for war crimes, and potentially with the additional goal of attempting to re-establish a new Fourth Reich. Is this a force for good in the world?"
Who are YOU to judge what happened during WW2? Are you absolutely certain of ALL the facts of WW2? I seriously doubt it. You only know what YOUR 'history indoctrinators' have told you...other than that, YOU are totally clueless as to what happened in WW2. Remember, there is ALWAYS TWO [or more] sides to ANY history...And in this case, it is CLEAR that the victors always get the PRIVILEGE of writing "history" in any way they see to fit their agenda.
who are you to say another cant judge or have an opinion? better yet- who are you to judge anothers knowledge and conclusion? Everyone can have an opinion and belief- you dont get to shoot them down. NO ONE is absolutely certain about a damn thing that they havent personally experienced but everyone can do their homework and come up with a history that resonates with them. And I and plenty of others dont "ONLY KNOW WHAT HISTORY INDOCTRINATORS HAVE TOLD US". I read and research all sides of the issues and dont take anything for face value. I have family who were in the war and I'll take their accounts over any writer or professionals opinion any day. that includes randoms on a message board
It's an excuse and a sorter of good stuff though contrary in various respects to the REAL fist son of Mary, like in HE-idol driven pride egocentrically that men dig - it's the hows of such rhythm discovery. Do not mess with humans who know this rhythm within at large.
"Did you fight in World War Two? If not, aren't you doing pretty much the same thing that you're insulting other users for doing? "
That is an easy escape for pacifists like yourself. You prefer others to do the DIRTY work for you whilst you watch and sip your Pinot Noir. Do you know that most Americans were OPPOSED to the involvement in WW2? I guess your history teachers didn't tell you that eh?
Nice try... Do you have anything else to contribute as to why the Catholic Church should NOT be a force for good, other than the blatant lies and false propaganda from your history teachers?
"I read and research all sides of the issues and dont take anything for face value."
I have already provided the name of my source of scholarly research. YOU have NOT provided YOUR source(s)... And I'm still waiting, Mr, "one post wonder"...
The onus is on YOU to provide such scholarly sources, otherwise it is YOU who will not be taken seriously.
BTW, when I say scholarly sources, I mean ALL scholars, both those who are in AND those who were (kicked) out of academia, because nine out of ten times, the ones who were kicked out of academia are the ones who most often speak the truth - you cannot deny this fact. And if you do, it will only serve to prove that you academic elites have something to hide.
"its a force for money and spiritual supression. oh yeah- and their priests rape kids. So yeah- they're evil twisted fucks "
So says your mainstream media, who, every time there is a conflict in the middle east, and the Catholic Church voices their opposition to the wars, violence and the killing of innocent Palestinians, the mainstream media goes into high gear, bringing into the forefront some sexual scandal that supposedly occurred 40+ years ago, of which they have absolutely NO proof whatsoever.
Have you anything else to say, Mr. "Minister of Anti-Catholic Propaganda"?
Where are your scholarly sources for such a statement?
Do you have any?
Mind you, the mainstream media does this to DISTRACT the "sheeple" like yourself from what is REALLY occurring in the middle east.
As a good Catholic, I actually feel sorry for people like you who cannot see the truth in these turbulent times.