Fucking ridiculous. Isn't Halloween good enough for you deprived bastards? What on EARTH makes people think that if they make a day for themselves that everyone will celebrate it? I enjoy the music I listen to any day of the year regardless of what day it is or where I'm at. I don't think anyone in their teens or 20s necessarily needs an excuse to dolly up and go outside. It's ridiculous. If anything, this is an attempt by bastardized neo-goths to promote our all ready dying scene. It's completely disrespectful and it's going to ridiculous lengths.
Will there be a gathering? Probably in SELECT areas so far off from a majority of people that it won't make one bit of a difference either way. And honestly, I don't think anyone is going to drop their whole schedule for a day that is pretty much self proclaimed by those who are completely ignorant. I think people today are putting too much emphasis on the goth genre and as a matter of fact we aren't the only victims of this example. There are other genres of music which have been recently invaded, spaded and molded to the likes of our youth. If you ask me, its desecration to the extremes. I would rather see this hopeless and lost folks take inspiration from gutter punks. That way, I'd feel more comfortable because they'd get their asses kicked.
I'll be being myself as I am now on this day. I won't treat it like a holiday or engage in any similar act. As a matter of fact, I'll probably treat it like any other day and just live through it. Because in the end, when you finally lay yourself down to sleep at night, thats all it is. Just another day.
Rant?
I don't think so this looks more like an opinion.
Rant...go watch an AVGN episode for that shit.
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Actually it looks like it will be pretty widely celebrated. When We Were Young the big Goth after party at WGT will for instance probably be devoted to WGD that night. DJ Martin Oldgoth has a lot of clout in the international Goth scene. Thats someone who really cares for this scene. He's at least double the age and has triple the experience of Casey but with only half the ego.
Maybe so, but how does that effect the rest of the scene itself? I don't really feel like stroking my ego is a necessity for conversation but to look at things rationally. Will this be talked about in newspapers. Will it make the news the morning after? I'm sure celebrating will lighten some peoples day but what benefits are received that actually help the scene? It just appears to me as an advertisement vehicle.
The biggest goth event is the WGT, as far as I know. It averages about 19 thousand bodies, impressive. Or at least it seems impressive until one realizes Justin Bieber can do that at a mall signing.
Promoting events like Bats Day or Convergence, that isn't going to resurrect the genre.
Gothic Rock needs a band (or two) that does something creative and vibrant, something that attracts a wide audience.
Goth needs a Lady Gaga.
Not the style of music but an artist who excites.
She excites people in a way I haven't seen since the 80's when Madonna was the IT girl.
I'd get into this more but my coffee is getting cold.
i will one day start a goth band that isnt full of complete faggotry, i promise. it will be fucking awesome, because i, am fucking awesome. im not into gay goth, at all. i will bring the darkness back, and take a shit on romanticism.
Lets leave Lady Gaga's name out of this shall we?
We don't need some top of the line in the industry type in the goth scene. That will only ruin it for everyone else that is still holding onto it right now.
I don't mean the goth scene needs someone as "popular" as lady gaga. I mean the scene needs an artist who stays true to the roots but at the same breathes fresh life into the scene, an innovator.. an actual artist.
And by roots I mean the true roots.
Last months poll had one of the originals listed.
But I think most of those who voted weren't even familiar with them.
Faith and the Muse beating the Danse Society makes me shed a tear...
I get the distinct feeling most people will only remember anything about this "Day" about 3 days after it when someone brings it up in the pub with something along the lines of
"Wasn't there something on a couple of Days ago?" to the response being
"Er.... no"
And don't blame me for Faith and the Muse, I voted for Rosetta Stone. Even though Danse Soceity are probably a batter band I like RS more.
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at March 08, 2010, 07:10am
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Its not cause something doesn't reach millions that isn't worth doing. If that were true no artist or organizer would have bothered with an again underground genre like Goth after the 80s.
Our scene and subculture is again slowly growing these last few years. I see it both locally and internationally. And that isn't the product of all those that poopoo anything thats done in the scene. Thats the product of those that didn't hide behind cynicism, negativism, pessimism and defeatism and are actually doing something. And doing something does include something out of the box like World Goth Day.
Its fine that you feel that it won't do much. But it will do something. And everything that does something is worthwhile.
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I guess I simply don't get it. The way I dress is considered goth or punk by most people. I listen to the music. I go to the clubs and have a good time. And nothing anyone else is doing has prevented any of that. And more importantly, I'm not letting my own attitude prevent any of that.
It's about the music, not shaking your ass on a dance floor or dressing in a halloween costume. The scene lost sight of that years ago and it became more of a fashion/social thing than about the music.
And although some loathe the mainstream, mainstream success is important when it comes to bands being able to hire good producers, make high quality recordings, get strong distrubution, tour more heavily, create promo videos, release dvd's of their live performances, release more albums because they have a label financially backing them.
So unless these goth promoters are promoting the actual bands, they're just spinning their wheels.
The bands are like the baseball field that Kevin Costner has to build in field of dreams.
Build up the bands.. you build up the scene.
I don't see anything cynical about that.
World Goth Day should be about taking 3 or 4 goth bands and promoting the hell out of them. That would be productive for the scene. But if its just a second Halloween, that's actually counterproductive.
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How can anyone say what something is for anyone else?
And my mom says it was never NOT about the fashion. They shook their asses, and they did it dressed up. They didn't give a fuck about a scene; they just made it. And hey didn't sit around worrying about what each other did, or what is what and what isn't, the way the next generation did.
That's the opinion of someone who was clubbing in NY in the early 80's. I guess that would be the time you're talking about, before we "lost sight" of what the scene should be about?
It's unfortunate that the goth world has also been corrupted by that corporate mentality. Image is the most important thing, and the original image in goth and punk meant something different. There was a reason for it at the time. Times change, and now there is not necessarily a reason for it being the way it is. However, that is just the thing that has become so attractive to people; that's why so much of the new music is carbon copies of older bands, because it is a secondary or even lower priority to a lot of people. You've got bands copying death rock bands, you've got Sisters of Mercy clone bands, electric bands that were fairly lifeless, then the death rock fad, and now it's the '80s retro. Goth was supposed to be counterculture; there is nothing counterculture about it anymore.
I never said it fashion didn't have a role.
Every genre/scene has a fashion style.
But it used to be about the music and then the fashion.
In the 90's it became more about the fashion and the music took a backseat.
And I've been in the scene since 88, not as long as the Myzmom but longer than I like to think about.
The goth fashion style became independant of the genre. There are goth fashion magazines, goth models, and usually it has very little to do with the music.
goth was good when it had punk influence. the punk influence went out the window with bands like the sisters of mercy bringing us back into the stone age with their 'rock n roll' and massive production. siouxsie and the cure becoming huge mainstream acts didnt help either.
honestly, i credit everything cool in goth to bauhaus and agnew christian death, because they were into punk and used punk influence. ill take rudi peni and tsol over any goth band since. also 'true' deathrock faggots REALLY killed the fashion thing. the only thing worse than middle age goth kids are overly dressed deathrock kids. i mean, how many layers of fishnet do you need to go foodshopping?
im genuinely into dark shit, death, and gloom. but the goth scene kind of scares people like me away with cute dead shit and hot topic core baby bat novelties.
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Do something about it instead of sitting around complaining. That's the real problem with these times...we're always waiting on someone else. That's where the corporate mentality comes from. Make some cutting edge music yourself!
The Sisters and the Mission really took goth in a new direction.
The Cult jumped to hard rock the fastest but even the Danse Society started leaning towards hard rock. And when DS broke up, Rawlings started the Society which was a hard rock band.
The Mission tried to be U2 Jr on the Carved in Sand album.. and failed.. horribly.. righteously. Hussey doesn't have half the talent as Edge and Bono.
Thankfully, the Cure never tried to go hard rock.
Can you imagine Robert trying to be Robert Plant?
The Cure's Hendrix cover is just awful because The Cure just aren't capable of rocking out with their cocks out.
they just did foxy lady for a sound test or something and the producer made them put it in because they thought it would boost sales.
i would actually take the cures first album (TIB/BDC) over anything past 1983 (except Disintegration, that album should have been the follow up to porn)
I think some people listen to their moms too much. One club, one social group and one decade doesn't necessarily define the whole world reception to said genre or scene.
When I and a friend were in Uni and dating a couple of girls there we used to buy a movie to watch whilst they would get changed. We once got all the way through Where Eagles Dare which clocks in at around 2 and a half hours.
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